Ubuntu Touch preview headed to at least 20 new devices

Someone please tell me why this would be better than Android?

Especially considering that Linux desktops suck... even Linus says so.

PS: I do use boot up the Puppy distro for all financial transactions... but that's it.

If you're a Linux developer (or simply like Linux), you can turn many tablets (and smartphones) into rather capable Linux dev environments. I don't see the confusion.

Originally posted by Bozobub:

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...I don't see the confusion.

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Because Ubuntu is bloatware of course.

at least somebody is doing something for the Motorola XOOM. It is a quite capable tablet and Google dropped the dime on it..

Originally posted by Rock269:

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at least somebody is doing something for the Motorola XOOM. It is a quite capable tablet and Google dropped the dime on it..

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how?

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Especially considering that Linux desktops suck... even Linus says so.

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Linus stated that the desktop environment is a hard market, not that Linux desktops suck. I'm not trying to be a fact-checker here, but what he actually stated and what you claimed he stated are two different things.

I'm not a Ubuntu fan at all it is a poor distro as Linux goes even though it is popular. But I must say the UI seems pretty nice for the mobile world so I could see where people, especially Linux users, might like this.

Good job! :D

Originally posted by Ofnir1:

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Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Especially considering that Linux desktops suck... even Linus says so.

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Linus stated that the desktop environment is a hard market, not that Linux desktops suck. I'm not trying to be a fact-checker here, but what he actually stated and what you claimed he stated are two different things.

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No, I'm not wrong... he's very disappointed in them. I've read his interviews. "Suck" is admittedly summarising:

Linus has a long history of being dissatisfied with the state of Linux desktops, a problem that seems to have got worse for him with the move to the next generation of desktops.
Linus Torvalds: I don't think the desktop is doing too well, and there's technical reasons.
(From: http://www.techradar.com/au/news/softwa...-money-1112900)

The only place where the "market" maybe gets a mention is in regards to pre-installs. But why is that? He goes on to state that the OS UIs are NOT conducive to "doing real work". Too many chiefs and not enough (paid) Indians. Of course he says there's nothing wrong with the kernel (true). Esp after he wrote Git. But, hang on, doesn't he control and maintain that aspect?

Do yourself a favour and perhaps check out the latest "Why Linux Sucks" conference & talks on YouTube. Even the speaker says he bored with repeating himself ad nauseum "year after year". Why Linux Sucks | LFNW 2012

Jeez, they still can't get audio fixed ffs. And 1337s telling ordinary people that they are essentially "too lazy or stupid" in regards to using them, well... do I get angry or laugh here?...

PS: For the record, MINT is the premier Linux desktop now ...and for good reason.


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Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Jeez, they still can't get audio fixed ffs. And 1337s telling ordinary people that they are essentially "too lazy or stupid" in regards to using them, well... do I get angry or laugh here?...

PS: For the record, MINT is the premier Linux desktop now ...and for good reason.

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You know what, I remember having audio issues last I had Ubuntu installed on my laptop. I would have my speakers plugged in, yet the onboard audio would still play. And I've seen the 1337's you're referring to, it's quite sad, really.

I'll definitely watch the video you posted, and look for more.

I am delighted to see Canonicals plans for Asus Transformer.

Originally posted by Ofnir1:

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I'll definitely watch the video you posted, and look for more.

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Excellent... it's not an Anti-Linux OS vid.

Imagine a day where the relevant people put aside their differences and get behind one Linux desktop for popular use. One OS they they can eventually incorporate all the features they want. One that will get streamlined and "un-bloated" over time as a result. One manufacturers will, including nVidia, write drivers for and update regularly. One that exploits and improves OpenGL so it poops on DirectX. One that sticks it to Apple fanboys. You get the idea.

Cheers.


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Yup that day is coming soon, hold your breath.... LOL

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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Yup that day is coming soon, hold your breath.... LOL

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I didn't say "when". Haha. Read my other posts here... you might have missed the point of what I was saying. I was saying it was not gonna be likely. It's like wrangling cats imo. Ironically there actually IS a system of standards for a Linux desktop... it's just that it's completely ignored :D

Why Linux Sucks | LFNW 2012

Not until it's accepted that it can't be 100% free probably. Something's gonna have to be paid for it. Witness Steam's Xi3 Piston Engine or Steam Box will run on Linux (and OpenGL).


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That is one of the problems with Open Source is the Standards will always get trampled on. But it is better still to have competition so going to one distro wouldn't be a good move anyway.

Here is another thing to wrap your hands around, if Linus doesn't like the Desktop GUI's then why in the world doesn't he build a better one as an example and for use of course. What a hypocrisy I would say if that is his true sediment about Linux Desktops.

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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But it is better still to have competition so going to one distro wouldn't be a good move anyway.

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Time has not borne out your opinion. Anyway, there's competition from MS, Apple, FreeBSD, OS2 to name a few.

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...if Linus doesn't like the Desktop GUI's then why in the world doesn't he build a better one as an example and for use of course. What a hypocrisy...

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As per my posts here... he's fully employed on the kernel by the Linux Foundation. He also says it's outside his skill set. He's not the only critic (see previous link) and he wasn't the focus of my initial remark. Besides, and this is a BIG besides, you underestimate the enormity of the task.

It boggles the mind that someone who's work helps keep the internet running and affordable amongst many many other things should garner this blithe attitude.


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Touch preview isn't spectacular from what I've seen of it, and as a result I wasn't inclined enough to flash it personally.

It's a dev preview so it's essentially non-functional for daily use in my opinion and it looks a bit gimmicky, but I don't hate Ubuntu/Linux entering the phone OS market if they get it right.

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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But it is better still to have competition so going to one distro wouldn't be a good move anyway.

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Time has not borne out your opinion. Anyway, there's competition from MS, Apple, FreeBSD, OS2 to name a few.

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I don't know what your smoking but it sure has!

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:

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...if Linus doesn't like the Desktop GUI's then why in the world doesn't he build a better one as an example and for use of course. What a hypocrisy...

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As per my posts here... he's fully employed on the kernel by the Linux Foundation. He also says it's outside his skill set. He's not the only critic (see previous link) and he wasn't the focus of my initial remark. Besides, and this is a BIG besides, you underestimate the enormity of the task.

It boggles the mind that someone who's work helps keep the internet running and affordable amongst many many other things should garner this blithe attitude.


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I don't think it is beyond his skill set as he made the original distro, I think my criticism still stands. Also I agree with the fact that Linux just isn't there, still, and I'm not impressed by Ubangy either, I use SUSIE, Fedora, and others before Ubunta. Although I have a friend that uses it but it is the only distro he has used so that says something.

Whatever LOL

I'll have some of what you're smoking smart-alex.

What you think and what he says in interviews are not the same thing :)


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This is a prime example of how you get off track, often.

I didn't say he said anything, but now you seem to have twisted it that way. Just a prime example of how fast you get off base and twisted.

Again whatever Mr-2cents.

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Originally posted by Ripper:

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Thanks man :)

Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Originally posted by Ripper:

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Thanks man :)

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Same here man! :D

FFS roflmao

Whether you like ubuntu or not is a matter of opinion. I happen to like ubuntu and cant wait to see ubuntu on tablets and phones. Mint is fine, but i have been using ubuntu since 2004, and will stick with it.

Originally posted by unisol:

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Mint is fine, but i have been using ubuntu since 2004, and will stick with it.

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I didn't really get into Linux until a couple of years ago when I came across a random download for Ultimate Edition 2.7. It has the KDE, XFCE, Gnome, LXDE, and Openbox environments (maybe another env., can't remember), and I was instantly hooked. I ended up re-installing Windows 7 because of the audio issues it was having :(

Otherwise, great OS. Can't wait to see what the tablets have to offer.

I don't see what the fuss is about. If this works I will a true operating system on my phone that I can use. Not some fake wannabe OS. Correct me if I'm wrong but there will be a butt load of things I will be able to do that is a hassle to try on existing phone OS's. Without spending more money. Until anything better arrives for tablets and smart phones I personally will be happy just to have it. I will take this over any hacked together Android OS since non of them were made to be true robust operating systems that can bring the power of a desktop OS to a mobile device. As a tech the improved functionality alone is going to give me a lot things to experiment with.